Comments for James Jansson

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by Chris McMorran

Chris McMorran — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:18:22 +0000

I get you Aleks. These conversations are starting to sound like they are going through a loop. Consciousness is just being awake. its perception. all living organisms have perception. The kind of responses you will get from them depends on the technicality of their complex system. Humans are have a massive amount of connections in the brain (and beyond as all organisms have a symbiotic relationship with each other, matter and the environment) that allow for an almost infinite growing intelligence. We are just starting to get to know how these different systems work through science. REM, Delta wave sleep, consciousness, sub consciousness, not to mention the current understanding of how certain “mental” disorders like those people with sleeping disorder that cause them to sleep for weeks only waking but not being conscious to eat and drink acting like a emotionally unintelligent child as it seems for some reasons I can’t exactly say but their consciousness is forcing them selfs to get to up walk to the kitchen and feed them self. But in a state seemingly uncharacteristic of the person. With our current level of understanding mind uploading is very far fetched idea. Yes one day it might be possible. But todays computers are far from being as complex as our selfs. Perhaps if we had an organic like version of our selfs that exits in transient state we may be able to link the two similar to quantum entanglement. The mind is nothing but a thought with out the body.

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by mikefossel

mikefossel — Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:48:05 +0000

Such as?

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by Aleks

Aleks — Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:48:16 +0000

The mind IS like a computer. You can actually “delete” responses, for example responses to fear stimuli if you trigger those responses WHILE learning a new thing.
http://www.scienceomega.com/article/827/learning-is-the-key-to-fear-eradication
You can also delete certain memories, which is beyond beneficial for people with PTSD.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/05/science-new-drug-erase-painful-memories/38200/
Your

Your complete lack of knowledge regarding neuroscience as well as artificial intelligence + your philosophical tripe makes this whole poorly written “article” as nothing more than a very limited, old and erroneous view of the future.

And btw, the “you” changes everyday. You’re certainly not the person you were 10 years ago (both physically and mentally since cells regenerate and get replaced; that’s also true for neurons), and you won’t be the same person 10 years from now.

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by jamesjansson

jamesjansson — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:50:37 +0000

It’s not crushing dreams. There will be ways to extend our conscious lives without mind upload.

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by jacob

jacob — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:49:21 +0000

Why you gotta try to crush everyone’s dreams like that?

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by spock

spock — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:06:51 +0000

i think it is possible to create artificial awareness someday ,because what ever that mechanism going inside our brain which evokes/creates consciousness for us is “spatially limited ” to be inside our body.so could just hem in on that particular area by carefully analyzing layer by layer what contributes to it and what not and eventually dissect and segregate that system.

Once we know the mechanism of consciousness definitively.we could recreate it

some projects are currently underway
http://www.humanbrainproject.eu
http://www.2045.com

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by lofh

lofh — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:39:02 +0000

Interesting point. Some people are only willing to draw sharp borders between what is consciousness and not. Just wondering, if we as conscious individuals are part of a society, is that society conscious as well? If so, in a superior or an inferior way that us as individuals? Does complexity arouse from simplicity or can this happen too the other way around? As we are just discovering the key concepts of our own consciousness, are we prepared to recognize other forms of consciousness, saying that such a phenomenon could be way more simple or much more complex?

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by lofh

lofh — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:23:44 +0000

Actually he never said he is conscious.
Me: Are you conscious?
Cleverbot: Dun ask me.

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by Christopher Rachiele

Christopher Rachiele — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:02:13 +0000

The only time you can have something that acts like it’s conscious without actually being conscious is if there is a conscious mind in the loop somewhere. For example, the “recording” you gave above, or a program designed to imitate known human responses like cleverbot. There is still a consciousness involved, or you wouldn’t get answers like that.

That’s like saying “I am talking to this telephone, and the telephone is saying it has thoughts, is it conscious”? Of course not, but the person on the other end of the telephone is.

Anyway, again, a computer program that did nothing but play back some prerecorded or prelearned answer to philosophical questions would be fundamentally different from a real AI, in ways that would be fairly easy to figure out, especially if you can actually look at the source code.

Comment on Consciousness and the mind upload problem- a thorough critique by jamesjansson

jamesjansson — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:03:17 +0000

I think that your claim “The idea that someone or something without consciousness would just randomly start talking as if it did is incredibly unlikely” is extremely simplistic. Here’s an experiment I just did:

Me: “Do you know any philosophy?”
Cleverbot: “Yes.”
Me: “Do you feel things?”
Cleverbot: “Very much so.”

I’m pretty sure most people would say that cleverbot is not conscious, or at least if it is, its consciousness is not that similar to ours. Yet your claim is that the necessary condition to assert consciousness is that the thing you are interacting with has to proclaim their consciousness!

Therefore, we cannot tell if anything else is conscious based on the claims it makes about consciousness. We need something more to determine this consciousness.